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On this episode, we speak with Dr. Linda Onagawa. She discusses menopausal weight gain and its impact on women’s health. She explains that during menopause, hormonal changes cause a shift in body composition, leading to increased adipose tissue and reduced lean mass. This can result in metabolic syndrome, which includes abnormal triglycerides, low HDL cholesterol, abnormal blood sugar, abnormal blood pressure, and increased waist circumference. Dr. Onagawa emphasizes the importance of addressing cardiovascular risk associated with menopausal weight gain. She recommends consulting with a doctor for a full cardiometabolic workup and focusing on protein-rich diets to maintain lean body mass. She also suggests incorporating exercise, managing stress, and seeking emotional support during this life transition. Daily weighing and movement are highlighted as key habits for weight maintenance. Dr. Onagawa concludes by expressing her support for women’s health and the availability of options to live a happier and healthier life.

TRANSCRIPT:

Welcome  back  to  Hot  Flashes  and  Cold  Topics,  everybody.  Today,  we  are  thrilled  to  have  on  Dr.  Linda  Onagawa,  and  she  is  board -certified  in  obesity  medicine  and  internal  medicine,
and  she  is  the  chief  medical  officer  for  noon.  And  so  we’re  going  to  talk  to  her  today  about  something  that  we  get  a  lot  of  questions  about  on  hot  flashes  and  cold  topics  is  menopausal  weight  gain.
And  why  does  this  seem  to  happen  in  this  time  of  life?  And  I  am  someone  that  did  lose  30  pounds  in  the  past  year.  And  I  did  use  noon  for  that  and  that  worked  for  me.
And  so  we’re  just  going  to  talk  about  why  this  happens  at  this  time  of  life  and  just  some  things  that  we  could  do  during  this  time  of  life  to  help.  So  that’s  that’s  my  first  question  is  why  do  women  tend  to  gain  weight  steering  menopause?
You  know  before  we  even  get  into  this  question  I  want  to  also  thank  both  of  you  Bridget  and  Colleen  because  you  know  menopause  I  think  is  still  regarded  as  so  taboo.
taboo  and  something  that  is  not  cool  to  discuss,  yet  it  is  a  natural  part  of  our  lives.
It’s  something  that  we  all  go  through  as  women.  And  my  own  personal  philosophy  is  the  more  we  know  about  the  transition,
the  more  empowered  we  are  as  we  go  through  it.  it.  And  it  is  not  for  the  faint  of  heart.  I  know  that  from  my  own  personal  experiences  as  well.
So  I  just,  I  applaud  you  for  having  this  community  as  a  forum  to  bring  these  topics  to  the  forefront  that  everybody’s  thinking  about,
but  might  be  afraid  to  ask.  So  thank  you.  – Thank  you,  thank  you  so  much.  We  have  really  learned  so  much  through  this  community  as  we  go  through  it.  met  so  many  people,  but  we  really  had  to  seek  out  information.
When  we  started  this  podcast,  we  had  to  really  dig  and  hunt  to  find  information  about  this  time  of  life.  And  we  love  seeing  more  people  getting  into  the  conversation,
but  there’s  still  a  lot  of  work  to  be  done.  So  thank  you  for  saying  that.  We  really  appreciate  it.  So,  you  know,  with  that,  the  whole  thing,
you  know,  know,  one  of  our  biggest  questions,  we  have  a  Facebook  group  and  that  is  something  a  lot  of  women,  especially  when  they’re  starting,  when  they’re  in  Perry  and  they’re  starting  to  go  through  this,
they’re  like,  what  is  happening  to  me?  Why  am  I  putting  on  this  weight  when  I’ve  done  everything  I  used  to  do?  – Oh  yeah,  right,  they’re  eating  right,  they’re  exercising  and  yet  it’s  still  happening.
So  let’s  talk  about,  like,  like  first  what  menopause  really  is  and  what  happens,  right?  So  as  you  know,
probably  menopause  is  characterized  by  a  reduction  in  your  body’s  estrogen  levels.  Now  estrogen  as  a  hormone,
you  know,  we  tend  to  think  about  it  as  the  hormone  that,  of  course,  is  responsible  for  our  reproductive  cycles.  and  it  plays  a  huge  role  in  reproduction.  But  estrogen  does  a  ton  of  other  things  for  our  bodies.
It  improves  our  fasting  insulin  levels.  It  improves  the  way  our  body  handles  blood  sugar.  It  improves  the  way  our  liver  responds  to  insulin.
It  prevents  lipid  accumulation  in  the  blood.  It  reduces  oxidative  stress.  And  men  have  estrogen  too,  and  it  does  all  this  good  stuff  in  their  bodies.
They  just  have  less  of  it  too.  It  improves  the  function  of  our  hearts.  It  protects  our  brain  from  the  impact  of  aging.  It  inhibits  remodeling  and  reduction  of  our  bone  mass.
mass  and  lots  of  other  things,  but  those  are  some  of  the  big  ones.  So  as  we  age  and  our  estrogen  drops,  a  couple  of  important  things  happen  that  both  lead  to  weight  gain.
So  the  first  is  that  we  are  predisposed  during  PERI  and  menopause  to  gain  more  weight.  visceral  weight.
So  what  that  means  is  we’re  more  likely  to  deposit  weight  around  our  midsection.  The  big  deal  with  that  is  those  visceral  fat  cells  are  more  likely  to  function  in  a  metabolically  abnormal  way.
Like  many  people  don’t  realize  it,  but  healthy  normal  fat  tissue  in  a  bodies  serves  a  very  important  purpose  as  an  endocrine  organ.  It  even  makes  estrogen,  right?  It  makes  lots  of  vital  hormones.
So  when  we  have  more  fat  deposited  in  the  midsection  and  that  fat  starts  to  behave  abnormally,  we  call  this  adiposopathy.
That’s  a  mouthful,  but  it  loosely  translates  to  sick  fat,  and  it  means…  that  this  fat  behaving  abnormally  worsens  inflammation  in  our  bodies,
it  worsens  oxidative  stress,  and  it  drives  even  more  fat  accumulation.  Okay,  so  that’s  number  one.  The  second  thing  is  we  also  begin  to  lose  our  lean  body  mass  without  the  protective  effects  of  estrogen.
estrogen.  And  that  includes  muscle  mass.  That  includes  bony  mass.  And  this  means  more  of  our  body’s  composition  is  going  to  shift  towards  adipose  tissue.
Okay,  so  that’s  a  problem.  Then,  of  course,  we  are  not  sleeping  well  anymore,  right?  We’re  having  nighttime  hot  flashes  and  that  lack  of  sleep  due  to  the  hot  flashes  can  lead  to  chronically  higher  levels  of  cortisol  which  fosters  more  weight  gain  and  the  other  things  that  boost  cortisol  in  our  lives  are  kind  of  the  more  external  stressors  of  menopause  right  like  we’re  juggling  parenting  teenagers  with  caring  for  our  aging
parents  we’ve  got  mid -careers -career  pressures.  There’s  just  so  many  things  going  on.  What  this  all  amounts  to,
the  increased  visceral  fat,  the  reduction  in  lean  mass,  the  excess  cortisol  can  all  lead  to  a  condition  called  metabolic  syndrome.  Metabolic  syndrome  typically  is  associated  with  progressive  abnormal  weight  gain.
gain,  more  hunger,  and  you  basically  get  on  a  hamster  wheel  that  is  very,  very  difficult  to  get  off.  So  that’s  at  the  root  of  why  women  are  gaining  weight.
It’s  not  because  you’re  weak  or  you’re  doing  the  wrong  things  or  you  don’t  have  the  willpower.  It  is  very,  very  simple  biology.  It’s  so  important  for  our  listeners  to  hear  hear  that  it’s  not  their  fault  because  we  get  constantly  asked  what’s  happening.
My  metabolism  is  not  the  same.  I  eat  the  same.  I  exercise  the  same.  Can  you  talk  a  little  bit  more  about  the  metabolic  syndrome  and  like,  are  there  certain  factors  that  you  can  check  off?
Do  you  have  three  of  these  five  or  five  of  these  eight  that  women  should  be  considering?  Absolutely.  So.  So  the  classic  definition  of  metabolic  syndrome,
it  actually  differs  between  different  specialty  societies.  It  generally  includes  things  like  abnormal  triglycerides,  so  high  triglycerides,
low  HDL  or  good  cholesterol,  abnormal  blood  sugar,  abnormal  blood  pressure,  and  a  waist  circumference  that’s  over  a  certain  point.  I  actually  have  a  little…
little  bit  more  of  an  expanded  definition  of  metabolic  syndrome.  You  know,  I  look  at  in  women,  something  called  a  HOMAIR  score,  which  is  a  ratio  of  fasting  insulin  to  the  fasting  plasma  glucose.
And  what  I  find  in  women  is  that  that  HOMAIR  score  can  often  become  abnormal  before  anything  else  does.  and  have  a  high  blood  pressure.  So  it’s  a  group  of  women  who  have  a  high  blood  pressure  So  it’s  a  group  of  women  who  have  a  high  blood  pressure  So  it’s  a  group  of  women  who  have  a  high  blood  pressure  early  indicator  that  you  are  potentially  insulin  resistant  and  at  a  higher  risk  for  the  metabolic  syndrome.
So  it’s  a  test  that  I  always  recommend  doing  and  you  know  many  times  I  have  women  come  to  me  as  an  obesity  specialist  and  they  say  well  I  saw  my  doctor  they  did  a  glucose  and  an  A1c  and  they  said  I’m  fine  I  don’t  have  prediabetes  and  I  don’t  have  diabetes.
But  that’s  not  the  whole  story,  right?  We  want  to  be  able  to  pick  up  who  is  at  risk  for  these  metabolic  problems  before  the  horse  is  out  of  the  barn.
Because  like  I  was  just  explaining  before,  when  you’re  on  that  roller  coaster,  that  cascade  of  biological  effects  that  are  happening,
it  is  so  difficult.  difficult  to  get  off  the  train.  It  can  be  done,  but  it’s  definitely  harder  than  working  from  a  more  preventive  approach.  And  you  know,
one  of  the  things  that  I  also  think  is  so  important  too  is  women  in  their  30s,  right?  Women  maybe  in  their  early  40s  who  are  not  quite  in  the  perimenopause  yet.
When  I  hear  that  there’s  a  family  history  of  weight  gain,  when  I  hear  there’s  a  family  history  of  weight  gain,  I  hear  there’s  a  family  history  of  hypertension,  diabetes,  other  metabolic  disease,  if  a  woman  has  had  gestational  diabetes  or  she’s  been  diagnosed  previously  with  polycystic  ovarian  syndrome,
all  my  alarm  bells  are  going  off  because  I  know  this  woman,  when  she  enters  PERI,  she  is  gonna  become  high  risk  and  that  risk  is  only  gonna  increase  throughout  the  rest  of  her  life.
So  how,  how  do  you  do  this  testing?  How  do  you  check  to  see,  is  it  blood  work?  How  do  they  do  that?  Very  simple  blood  test.  So  you  go  to  the  lab,  you  have  a  fasting  insulin  drawn  at  the  same  time  as  a  fasting  glucose.
And  then  doctors  can  plug  that  into  the  HOMA  IR  equation.  It’s  not  calculated  abnormally,  or  you  can,  you  can  do  it  yourself  actually  through  this.  the  blood  code  website  or  others  that  are  available  to  anybody  you  can  plug  in  your  numbers  and  there  are  differing  definitions  of  who  meets  the  criteria  for  insulin  resistance  but  my  general  rule  of  thumb  that  I  have  felt  to  be  pretty  accurate  phenotypically  with  what  women
are  telling  me  my  patients  tell  me  is  that  if  your  score  is  less  than  one,  you’re  probably  pretty  insulin  sensitive  and  you’re  not  yet  impacted  by  the  metabolic  syndrome,
which  is  good  news.  If  you’re  between  one  and  two,  you’ve  probably  got  some  early  insulin  resistance  going  on.  If  you’re  over  two,  definitely  100%,
that  is  what  you  are  dealing  with.  – Wow,  so  what  do  you  do  about  that?  – All  right.  where  you  can  ask  something  else  Colleen?  No,  no,  no,  I  was  I  was  gonna  say  that’s  it’s  you  know  That’s  so  important  for  our  listeners  to  know  because  I  had  never  heard  of  that  testing  before  We’re  always  talking  about  being  proactive  with  our  health  health  So  for  women  who  might  notice  that  either  they  get  this  test  or  they’re
starting  to  notice  a  change  in  their  body  What  do  you  suggest  is  kind  of  the  first  steps  in  this  journey?  journey  of  saying,  okay,  I  might  be  predisposed  to  this.  What  should  I  start  doing?
Yeah.  So  first  things  first,  talk  to  your  doctor  and  have  a  full  cardiometabolic  work.  Because  yes,
insulin  resistance  and  the  metabolic  syndrome  are  associated  with  unwanted  weight  gain  and  menopause.  But  even  more  importantly,  that’s  what  we’re  going  to  talk  about  today.  associated  with  dramatically  increased  cardiovascular  risk.
So  things  like  heart  attack,  stroke,  early  dementia,  right?  These  are  all  the  big  scary  diseases  that  we  as  women  tend  to  think  of  as  guys’  problems,
right?  But  they  actually  apply  to  us.  So,  you  know,  I  tell  women,  you  know,  are  you  having  a  heart  attack?  issues  with  your  memory?  Let’s  make  sure  there’s  nothing  else  that’s  amiss,
right?  Let’s  check  your  B12  level,  your  thyroid,  all  this  other  stuff,  make  sure  that  nothing  is  causing  a  memory  concern.  If  there’s  cardiovascular  disease  in  the  family,  let’s  start  with  a  screening  ECG  test,
an  EKG  test,  right?  Let’s  make  sure  everything  looks  good  with  your  heart.  Let’s  have  you  start  walking  and  see  how  your  body  responds.  Do  you  get  it?  any  symptoms  like  chest  pain  or  shortness  of  breath  or  even  abnormal  fatigue?
Let’s  get  an  echocardiogram.  Let’s  look  into  this  a  little  bit  more  deeply.  So  that’s  number  one  is  I  always  want  to  make  sure  that  we  dot  the  eyes  and  cross  the  T’s  with  respect  to  cardiovascular  disease.
So  if  a  woman  does  find  out  that  she’s  insulin  resistant  and  is  gaining  weight,  abnormally,  there’s  lots  of  things  that  we  can  do  medically.  There’s  lots  of  things  that  we  can  do  nutritionally  and  from  a  lifestyle  perspective.
So  movement,  I  hate  the  word  exercise,  sorry,  but  like  it’s  kind  of  a  turn  off,  right?  Like  when  you  hear  exercise,  it  sounds  like,  gosh,  that’s  so  worse  than  like,
you  know,  I  think  about  being  in  a  gym.  gym  like  stuffed  into  some  like  spandex  thing  with  people  looking  at  me  like  yuck  so  daily  movement  of  some  kind  of  anything  that  you  enjoy  is  so  so  so  important  because  it  increases  insulin  sensitivity  at  the  level  of  the  muscle  it  preserves  muscle  and  bone  mass  which  comprises  our  body’s  lean  body  mass  and  it  reduces  cortisol  levels  right?
So  all  of  those  stressors  that  we  deal  with  in  menopause,  movement  can  actually  be  a  fantastic  way  to  counteract  that.
Movement  is  truly  medicine  and  it  could  be  yoga,  it  could  be  Pilates,  it  can  be  simple  walking,  it  can  be  playing  with  a  pet,  it  could  be  the  gym,  you  know,  like  if  you  really  love  the  gym,
like  no,  you  know,  no,  not  on  that  for  me.  I  mean,  not  a  gym  rat.  So  like,  it  just  doesn’t  appeal,  but  some  people  absolutely  love  the  gym  and  the  physical  challenge.  So  anything  like  that  is  very,
very  important.  Nutritionally  speaking,  focusing  on  protein  as  a  core  part  of  the  diet  is  very,
very,  very  important  because  the  protein  will  help  keep  your  lean  body  mass.  It  fuels  your  body  mass.  muscle  and  muscle  is  our  engine  that  burns  extra  calories  for  us.
I  like  to  keep  carbohydrates  mostly  in  the  form  of  things  that  are  green  and  high  fiber.  Yes,  spinach  is  a  carbohydrate  for  sure.
But  complex  carbs,  lots  of  fiber,  because  that  also  feeds  the  gut  bacteria  that  we’re  learning.  more  and  more,  also  play  an  important  role  in  weight  regulation,
but  also  our  mood.  The  gut  actually  is  rich  in  serotonin  as  it  turns  out,  right?  So  nurturing  our  gut  bacteria  in  that  way  and  then  choosing  healthy  fats  because  fat  and  protein  don’t  spike  in  insulin  levels.
(upbeat  music)  way  that  carbs  and  sugar  do.  And  healthy  fats,  we  need  them.  They  keep  our  brain  healthy,  right?  They’re  the  things  that  kind  of  like  encase  and  coat  and  nourish  all  of  the  nervous  tissue  in  our  body  and  our  brain.
So  we  need  fat.  Fat  should  not  be  demonized,  but  choosing  those  healthy  fats  as  much  as  possible.  If  you’re,  you  know,  somebody  who  eats  animal  protein  of  course  like  salmon  is  kind  of  the  classic  fatty  fish  that  can  be  very,
very  healthy  if  you’re  vegan  nuts  and  seeds  flax  and  chia  avocado  are  so  wonderful  as  as  rich  sources  of  healthy  fat  so  your  nutrition  can  do  a  lot.
Your  day  to  day  can  do  a  lot.  If  you’re  chronically  stressed.  I  have  a  very  low  threshold  to  get  people  into  counseling  that  is  supportive  of  this  life  transition.
It  doesn’t  mean  you’re  crazy  if  you  need  to  lean  on  somebody.  And  I  like  to  choose  and  partner  with  therapists  who  are  particularly  knowledgeable  of  and  sympathetic  to  women  who  are  going  through  this  change  of  life.
– That  was  gonna  be  one  of  my  questions,  the  emotional  aspect  of  this,  because  that  is  such  a  tough  thing  for  women.  And  in  this  age,  the  whole  media  and  everything  makes  you  think  that  you  need  to  look  a  certain  way  and  that  you  need  to  be  the  certain  size.
And  it’s  been  that  way  for  women  since  we  were  born  for  so  long.  And  that  is  a  really  big  thing.  And  comments.  Comments  from  other  people  can  really  stress  you  emotionally.
So  when  you  said  finding  a  therapist  that  really  understands  and  goes  through  that,  and  that  is  one  thing  I  found  was  just  when  I  did,
when  I  followed  this  program,  because  I’ve  tried  different  programs  and  they  work  for  a  while,  and  then  I  gained  a  whiteback.  So  now  I’ve  been,  you  know,  without,  it’s  like,
it’s  been  about  a  year.  So  I’m  like,  okay,  this  is  really  great.  And  I  do  find  that  just  the  readings  and  emotional  support,  can  you  talk  about  the  importance  more  of  emotional  support  in  your  weight  loss  journey  if  that’s  something  that  you’re  going  through?
– Oh,  absolutely.  And,  you  know,  one  of  the  things  I  also  just  want  to  hit  on  to  that  you  had  mentioned,  Bridget,  that  I  think  we  cannot  overemphasize  enough.  that  this  is  not  about  a  matter  of  appearances  or  trying  to  get  to  a  size  zero  or  looking  a  certain  way.
I  truly  believe  that  we  can  be  physically  healthy  at  a  wide  variety  of  shapes  and  sizes.  And  it’s  not  necessary  to  overemphasize.
to  be  super  skinny,  to  enjoy  great  health  through  menopause  and  also  to  age  in  a  healthy  way.  So  that  is  abundantly  clear.
And  the  BMI,  like  I  absolutely  despise  it,  it  was  never  even  meant  to  be  used  for  clinical  purposes.  It  was  strictly  for  research  purposes.  So,  I  always  encourage  women  to  take  it  with  a  grain  of  salt.
There  are  things  that  are  far  more  important.  So,  yeah,  so  in  terms  of  emotional  support,  I  think  the  role  of  community  is  critical.
Tapping  into  resources  that  normalize  what  you  are  going  through  can  be  a  game  changer,  you  know,  whether  it’s  good  friends  who  are  all  going  through  the  same  thing.
thing,  whether  it’s,  you  know,  women  in  your  family,  like,  you  know,  I  mean,  if  it’s  your  mom  or  your  and  or  an  elder  sister  who  has  successfully  navigated  the  the  transition.
These  folks  can  be  tremendous  sources  of  support.  Again,  I  think  the  role  of  therapy  can  be  so  critical  because  like,  you  know,
gosh,  one  of  the  immediate  things.  that  I  noticed  personally,  and  let  me  know  if  this  is  like  TMI,  but  when  I  started  going  through  this  transition,
what  I  found  so  mind  boggling  is  that,  like,  we’re  still  expected  to  show  up  for  work  every  day  and  put  on  that  brave  face,  even  if  we  only  slept  for  30  minutes  the  night  before,
and  you’re  just  like  in  a  pool  of  sweat  when  you’re  on  Zoom.  like,  there’s  really  no  like  acceptable  outlet  in  the  workplace  for  acknowledging  what  you’re  going  through.
And  you  can  feel  just  like  so  invalidated  by  all  of  that.  And  so  that’s  where  I  think  therapy  can  be  so  tremendously  helpful.
And  also  the  support  of  other  women  and  like  even  this  podcast,  right?  I  mean,  this  is  is  normalizing  the  experience  of  menopause  that  we  are  all  going  to  go  through.
And  then,  you  know,  the  other  thing  too  that  I  like  to  reiterate  to  women  that  I  work  with  is  that  even  when  you’re  in  your  darkest  hour  and  you’re  struggling  the  most,
the  symptoms  of  menopause  will  increase.  ebb  and  flow.  And  eventually,  they  do  get  better  with  time.  And  sometimes  just  knowing  that  you’re  not  going  to  have  to  live  like  this  forever  and  ever  and  ever  is  reassuring.
And  I  can  breathe  through  it.  I’m  also  a  huge  fan  of  mindfulness  meditation.  I  have  a  daily  meditation  practice.
practice.  I  think  if  it’s  something  that  you  haven’t  explored,  I  strongly  encourage  you  to  explore  it  because  you  can  kind  of  learn  to  breathe  through  a  hot  flash.
Like  while  that’s  happening,  you  can  feel  that  rising  sensation  of  heat  and  explore  how  it  evolves  through  the  body  to  the  point  that  it  just  dissipates.
So  we  can  learn.  learn  to  let  it  go  a  little  bit  and  it  does  make  a  difference.  One  of  the  things  because  I  walked  this  journey  next  to  Bridget  as  she  was  doing  her  new  programming  so  I  heard  a  lot  of  it  and  one  of  the  things  that  she  talked  about  a  lot  and  I  thought  it  would  be  good  to  explore  is  caloric  density  and  healthy  food.
Bridget  talked  a  lot  about  how  she  was  trying  to  avoid  caloric  calorically  dense  food.  How  do  you  do  that  and  still  keep  like  what  is  considered  healthy  versus  calorically  dense?
Yeah,  this  is  a  great  question.  So  one  of  the  things  that  we’re  actually  doing  right  now  at  Noom  is  we’re  updating  and  revising  quite  a  bit  of  this  curriculum  because  it’s  been  extremely  important  to  me.
So  you’re  absolutely  right.  Nuts,  avocado,  avocado,  even  many  lean  proteins  are  also  calorically  dense.  So  we’ve  actually  been  shifting  and  working  on  revising  that  color  system  so  that  women  in  the  perimenopause  and  menopause  can  include  more  healthy  proteins,
more  sources  of  fat,  which  are  rich  in  vitamins  and  minerals  and  other  nutrients,  while  still  not  breaking  the  bank  on  caloric  density.
So  that  is  all  undergoing  right  now  in  progress.  So  if  you’re  a  current  new  user,  you  are  going  to  start  to  see  some  very,  very  big  changes  in  the  coming  weeks  and  months.  And  I’m  very  excited  about  it.
Oh,  that  is  exciting.  I  know  it  was  so  helpful  from  you.  because  I  was  just  trying  to  do  what  I  did  or  pieced  together  things  I’d  done  in  the  past  and  figure  out,
always  thought,  okay,  well,  that’s  not  red  meat,  so  I’ll  have  this.  And  then  I’m  reading  up  and  I’m  finding  out,  oh,  okay,  so  the  caloric  density  of  that,  but  it  did  help  tremendously.
And  for  me,  this  worked  for  me,  I  just  felt.  like  less  pressure.  And  I  felt  like  I  could  do  this.  And  if  I  needed  help,  I  could  go  on  the  app  and  you  could  share.
I  found  it  really  helpful  for  me.  I  have  a  sister  that  did  it.  It  worked  for  her.  That’s  what  I  had,  you  know,  my  sister  that’s  just  like  two  years  older  than  me  did  it.  And  I  thought,  Oh,
my  gosh,  look  at  her.  And  it’s  working.  And  she,  you  know,  was  walking  more  and  and  playing  pickleball  and  doing  things  like  that.  Then  I  tried  it,  then  my  husband  tried  it.  Now  my  mother  lost  it.
Word  of  mouth.  It  has,  it  was  word  of  mouth,  just  watching  and  seeing.  And,  you  know,  that  is,  you  know,  different  things.  We  just  want  our  listeners  to  have  choices.
And  we  want  them  to  just  see  what  works  because  that  is  a  big  question  that  we  just  get.  in  our  group,  especially  when  it’s  happening  to  women  for  the  first  time,  you  can  almost  feel  it  from  reading  through  the  Facebook  group  page  how  frustrated  they  are.
And  I  know  a  lot  of  them  want  a  quick  fix.  But  I’ve  learned  with  age,  there’s  not  really  a  quick  fix  to  anything.  And  it  is  kind  of  just  like  this  micro  changes  in  your  lifestyle.
But  I  just  found  that  this  was  very,  this  wasn’t  that  hard.  And  a  lot  of  times  things  seem  very  hard.  But  I  just  found  following  this  just  wasn’t  hard.
Do  you  have  any  suggestions  for  women  to  just  maybe  not  be  so  hard  on  themselves  and  that  it  really  don’t  expect  a  miracle  overnight?  Any  suggestions  in  that  area?
Yeah,  I  mean,  that’s  like  a  million  dollar  question.  And  I  think,  you  know,  our  expectations  of  ourselves  and  what  we  like,
should  do  and  should  achieve  is  something  that  I  encounter  with  women  all  the  time,  you  know,  we’re  expected  to  be  perfect,
we’re  expected  to  get  that  gold  star  at  the  end  of  the  day.  But  what’s  so  important  is  to  really  understand  that  everyone’s  journey  is  quite  different,
even  if  you’re  using  medications.  And  that’s  a  whole  other,  of  course,  discussion  topic  is  the  new  highly  effective  anti -obesity  medicines  that  everybody’s  talking  about.  So  even  if  you’re  using  medications,
everyone’s  journey  is  different.  Everyone’s  path.  is  unique.  And  everyone’s  body  is  going  to  respond  very,  very  differently.  And  you  know,
one  of  the  most  common  questions  that  I  get  is  why  am  I  losing  so  slowly?  Or  the  variation  on  that,  why  did  I  just  lose  10  pounds  and  now  gaining  it  back,
right?  So  the  first  and  most  important  thing  to  understand  is  that  that  weight  gain  and  your  body  fighting  against  weight  loss  is  completely  natural.
We  are  animals,  we  are  human  animals,  and  we  evolved  to  do  three  things  very  well,  which  is  to  sleep,  to  reproduce,
and  to  conserve  our  fat  stores.  stores,  you  know?  It’s  like,  I  tell  people  like  back  in  the  cave  woman  days,  we  couldn’t  just  go  to  the  Starbucks  drive -thru  or  Wendy’s  or  whatever  it  is  to  get  our  nutrients.
You  know,  we  had  to  climb  trees  and  we  had  to  pick  berries  and  we  had  to  hunt  antelopes  and,  you  know,  all  this  other  stuff.  So  our  bodies  got  really  good  at  conserving  our  fat  stores.
stores.  So  in  response  to  us  making  healthier  changes,  guess  what?  A  process  called  metabolic  adaptation  is  going  to  kick  in  and  it  is  going  to  fight  you  every  single  step  of  the  way.
There’s  nothing  wrong  with  you.  You’re  not  doing  anything  wrong.  This  is  natural.  This  is  your  body.  So  having  said  that,  you  know,  important  things  to  keep  in  mind,
of  course.  course,  is  that,  like,  let’s  say  somebody’s  taking  a  weight  loss  medication,  it’s  critical  to  know,  like  you  just  said,  it’s  not  a  quick  fix.  It’s  not  going  to  drive  weight  loss  alone.
And  it’s  not  going  to  prevent  weight  gain  alone,  right?  There’s  a  phenomenon  in  medicine  called  tachyphylaxis.  And  essentially,  what  that  means  is  your  body  finding  a  way  around  whatever  medicine  you’re  taking  to  make  the  effect  of  the  medicine.
less  powerful.  Very  nice,  right?  So  having  said  that  too,  of  course,  in  the  noon  program,  you  know,  we  always  tell  people,
check  in  with  your  mood,  your  stress,  your  sleep.  Are  you  tracking  what’s  your  nutrition  been  like?  Are  you  traveling?  What  have  your  social  interactions  been  like?
All  of  these  things  are  very,  very,  very  important.  And  you  know,  besides  that  too,  like  I  mentioned  before,  I  always  tell  women  who  are  struggling  or  feel  like  they’re  having  a  very  hard  time,
check  in  with  your  clinician.  Is  there  something  medical  going  on  that  we  need  to  uncover  that  could  be  making  this  fight  extra  difficult?  And  if  so,
we  can  help.  I’m  curious  about  your  thoughts  on  the  recent  research.  on  intermittent  fasting  and  cardiac  issues.  Are  you  familiar  with  that  and  what  are  your  thoughts  on  it?
Yeah,  fascinating  question.  So  overall,  one  big  thing  to  keep  in  mind  when  you  look  at  this  nutritional  research,
apologies.  Most  of  it  is  performed  based  on  a  technique  called  food  frequency  questionnaires.  So  it’s  asking  people  to  fill  out  questionnaires,
what  they  ate  on  different  days,  going  back,  like  looking  back  weeks,  months,  sometimes  even  years.  So  a  lot  of  this  research  is  fundamentally  kind  of  flawed,
you  know,  because  it’s  hard  to  read.  remember.  I  don’t  know  about  you.  I  don’t  even  know  what  I  ate  yesterday  anymore,  right?  I  mean,  like,  I  couldn’t  tell  you,  like,  how  many  hours  did  I  eat  or  not  eat  two  weeks  ago  on  a  Wednesday?
I  have  no  idea.  I  mean,  I  can  tell  you  maybe  some  general  patterns,  but  other  than  I,  than  that,  I  don’t  really  know.  When  it  comes  to  metabolic  health,
and  it  insulin  resistance,  lots  and  lots  of  data  exist  that  will  say  the  opposite,  right?  That  intermittent  fasting  actually  helps  improve  insulin  resistance  and  improve  metabolic  health,
which  in  and  itself  helps  reduce  your  risk  of  cardiovascular  problems.  So  I  think  these  two  different  bodies  of  research  are  really  kind  of  in  direct  conflict  with  each  other.
And  I  think  more  work  is  really  needed  to  dig  through  why.  I  mean,  physiologically  speaking,  I  don’t  know  why  intermittent  fasting  would  lead  you  to  have  more  cardiac  events.
Like  it  doesn’t  intuitively  make  sense  to  me.  But  that  being  said,  I’m  excited  to  see  what  other  research  we’re  able  to  do  on  this  topic.  I’ll  see  you  in  a  second.  you  know  get  some  more  clarity  for  folks  because  I  do  find  that  many  of  my  menopausal  women  just  love  intermittent  fasting  because  it’s  not  like  you  need  to  buy  anything  special.
It’s  not  like  you  really  need  to  do  all  that  much  different  you’re  just  kind  of  shortening  your  your  eating  window  a  little  bit.  And  given  that  we  know  menopausal  women  get  more  insulin  resistant  any  way  to  fight  against  that  can  be  super.
super  helpful.  Yeah,  that  was  a  good  question.  Yeah,  that  just  came  out  like  the  last  week,  those  articles.  Yeah,  there’s  one  more  thing  I  want  to  talk  about.
And  for  me,  it  was  so  funny  when  I  started  this  program,  I  was  so  bad  about  weighing,  I  hate  it  to  weigh,  that  I  would  go  to  the  doctor  and  step  on  the  scales  backwards.  And  I  would  tell  them,
don’t  tell  me,  write  it  down  for  your  records.  But  you  know,  don’t  tell  me  what  away.  And  that  was  the  first  thing  for  me  was  like,  Oh,  you’ve  got  to  weigh  every  day.  My  sister  would  tell  me  they  want  you  to  it’s  not  like  a  rule.
Nobody’s  going  to  come  in  and  arrest  you  if  you  don’t  weigh  it  every  day.  But  but  she’s  like,  Oh,  you  weigh  and  I  was  like,  Oh,  you  weigh  every  day.  And  I  was  like,  I’ve  just  got  I’ve  just  got  to  do  this.
And  so  it’s  funny.  Now,  I  am  so  good  about  okay,  I’m  just  gonna  wait  every  day.  And  I  think  it  was  great  in  the  talks  and  the  little  readings  that  you  do,
where  it  said,  so  you  might  gain  weight  one  day,  you  might  gain  a  pound  one  day.  And  they  were  like  the  oh  well  part.  Well,  oh  well.  And  then  you  know,  I  really,  I  never  thought  that  I  would  find  that  helpful,
but  it  has  been  so  helpful.  Is  there  a  reason,  I  think  for  me,  it  was  just,  psychological  and  keeps  it  on  track.  But  what  do  you  find  by  weighing  every  day?
– And  how  can  you  not  get  obsessed?  Because  I  know  a  lot  of  people  get  upset.  Oh,  I  gained  seven  ounces  and  what  am  I  gonna  do?  – Yeah.  Well,  a  few  things  I’ll  say  about  the  daily  weighing  because  I  totally  get  that.
I  mean,  I  think  a  lot  of  us  have  very  negative  associations  with  the  scale.  All  the  scale  has  felt  like  it  really  hasn’t  been.  a  friend,  it  hasn’t  been  kind  to  us,
you  know,  I  think  for  many  of  us  that  scale  just  symbolizes  the  judgment  that  we  face,  the  judgment  that  we  face  over  our  appearance,
our  competence,  you  know,  as  women,  and  it’s,  it’s  a  tough  thing.  It  really,  really  is.  So  I’ll  say  a  few  things.  You  know,
Noom’s  recommendation  to  weigh  in  regularly  comes  from  very  well  established  data  through  the  National  Weight  Control  Registry,
sorry,  which  is  an  enormous  database  of  individuals  in  the  United  States  who  have  successfully  kept  off  significant  amounts  of  weight  for  like,
I  believe  it’s  like  a  10.  year  period.  And  so  their  habits  were  all  queried  and  this  makes  up  this  large  body  of  data  that  we  go  by.
And  daily  weighing  is  top  on  the  list  of  the  people  who  have  maintained  a  30  pound  or  greater  weight  loss.  Same  with  daily  movement,
top  of  the  list,  right?  right?  Some  type  of  eating  modification  also  is  high  on  the  list.  Not  exactly  like  only  eating  X  amount  of  calories  a  day  or  following  a  Mediterranean  diet  or  a  keto  diet  or  whatever,
no,  it  doesn’t  get  that  granular,  but  some  type  of  eating  modification.  So  that’s  where  that  comes  from.  And  Noom,  I  think  as  being  a  science -based  company  has  always  followed  the  science.
science.  And  it’s  kind  of  like  you  said,  Bridget,  I  think  the  aim  in  the  daily  way  is  to  take  all  that  emotional  baggage  associated  with  that  scale  out  of  the  equation.
You  gain  a  pound,  okay,  big  deal.  You  lose  a  pound,  big  deal.  How  are  you  feeling?  How  are  you  feeling  overall  about  your  journey?  Now,  that  being  said,
I  have  had  many  patients  who  for  whatever  reason  they  just  cannot,  like  they  cannot  get  past  it.  That’s  fine.  There’s  other  ways  that  they  can  engage  through  the  new  Mac.
They  can  track  activity.  They  can  track  lessons,  you  know,  such  as  the  menopause  curriculum  module  or  whatever  it  is  they  wish  to  do,  you  know,
they  can  track  other  activities  like  meditation  or  yoga.  So  So  you’re  not  forced  to,  but  it  is  encouraged  based  on  all  the  available  data  that  we  have.
It  helps  some  people  to  be  very  successful.  Other  people  may  not  need  it  if  they’re  tracking  other  things.  I  think  for  me,  it’s  not  even  so  much  the  weighing,  but  it’s  tracking  yourself  and  observing  yourself,
which  is  something  that  we  don’t  do  in  the  course  of  the  year.  of  our  daily  lives,  but  is  a  fundamental  tenant  to  helping  us  change  our  behavior  over  the  long  term.
With  women  of  our  demographic  and  their  bodies  are  changing,  it’s  just  one  of  a  myriad  of  things  that  are  happening.  Like  you  said,  sandwich  generation,  all  these  other  changes.
Are  there  certain  things?  that  are  top  of  your  list  that  we  should  try  to  either  avoid  eating  or  perhaps  avoid  doing  or  lessen  the  frequency  of  to  help  with  this  metabolic  syndrome?
Yeah.  Great  question,  Colleen.  I  love  it  when  people  can  minimize  their  intake  of  processed  sugars  and  carbohydrates  as  much  as  possible.
possible.  It  just  does  nothing  for  our  bodies  at  all,  and  it’s  very  common  sense,  right?  I  mean,  you  know,  these  highly  processed  foods  not  only  fill  us  up  with  empty  sugar  and  calories,
they  are  powerful  triggers  of  the  craving  and  reward  center  in  our  brain  and  lead  us  to  crave  even  more,  and  they  can  foster  that.
that  hamster  wheel  cycle  of  weight  gain  that  bolsters  up  the  visceral  fat  tissue,  which  puts  our  health  tremendously  at  risk.
The  other  thing  that  I  talk  about  sometimes,  and  this  is  gonna  maybe  be  a  little  unpopular,  but  it’s  nice  if  you  can  also  minimize  your  alcohol.  I  think,
you  know,  to  cope  with  the  stress,  it  is  not  unusual  to  see  women  like  having  that  glass  of  wine  every  night  with  dinner,  or  maybe  two  glasses,
or  maybe  three  over  time,  especially  to  try  to  combat  the  sleep  issues,  you  know,  like  many  people  think,  okay,  I  just  need  to  relax,  I  need  to  get  rid  of  the  pressures  of  the  day,
and  I  need  to  get  sleepy  for  gosh  sakes,  you  know,  like  please.  please  help  me.  So  I  think,  you  know,  a  lot  of  us  turn  to  alcohol  to  help  with  that.
Again,  it  can  be  a  source  of  empty  sugars  and  carbohydrates.  It  can  also  disinhibit  our  brains  from  choosing  things  that  will  help  us  feel  better  overall,
you  know,  be  it  a  lot  of  people.  walk  in  the  park  or,  you  know,  eating  a  protein  rich  meal  that  gives  us  energy  for  the  day  or,
you  know,  something  else  like  that.  So  I  think  like  minimizing  to  social  occasions  can  be  very,  very  helpful  for  some  women.  And  of  course,  no  alcohol  right  before  bedtime.
You  know,  the  other  thing  to  look  into  to  sleep  speaking  of  sleep.  sleep  is  that  besides  just  the  hot  flashes  and  the  anxiety  which  can  disrupt  our  sleep,
another  little  known  fact  is  that  in  the  menopause,  many  more  women  are  at  risk  for  sleep  apnea  and  don’t  know  it.  And  this  is  something  that  can  really  creep  up  on  you  and  interfere  with  the  quality  of  your  sleep.
So  So  I  tell  women  to  consider  a  sleep  study  all  the  time.  Ask  your  doctor  for  a  sleep  study,  make  sure  there’s  nothing  going  on  like  sleep  apnea  or  restless  legs  or  another  sleep  cycle  disorder  because  listen,
anything  we  can  do  to  improve  our  sleep,  we  should  diagnose  it  and  we  should  treat  it.  – Oh,  and  I  never  realized  how  important  that  was  until  this  time  of  life.
It’s  like,  how  important  that  was  until  this  time  of  life.  important  sleep  is,  it  is  amazing.  – It  affects  everything.  – It  does,  everything,  you  know,  your  processing  brain,
everything,  weight,  everything,  how  you’ve  lived  through  your  day.  I  am  just  thrilled,  thank  you  so  much  for  being  on  the  show  today.  And  I  just,  I  love  the  options  that  are  offered.
I  love  that  we  have  this  research  out  there  that  gives  women  so  much  love  and  support.  answers  and  some  help  because  this  is  a  big  struggle  and  not  only  because  of  how  you  look  but  your  overall  health.
We  want  to  have  healthier,  longer  lives  and  keep  talking  to  people  like  you  really  is  just  another  thing  that  women  can  listen  to  and  have  options  out  there  to  help  them  live  a  happier,
healthier,  longer  life.  So  thank  you  so  much  for  coming  on  today.  I’m  really  thrilled.  to  talk  to  you  and  I’m  thrilled  with  how  this  has  worked  out  for  me  and  my  husband  and  my  sister  and  then  my  mother -in -law  and  everybody  else  in  in  my  life.
So  thank  you  so  much  for  being  on  today.  It  has  been  my  absolute  pleasure  and  thank  you  so  much  for  having  me.  Thank  you.

 

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