Episode Link: REBECCA WISOCKY

TRANSCRIPT:

Bridgett: – Welcome back to Hot Flashes and Cold Topics, everybody. Today, we have on such a

fun guest, we have on Rebecca Wisocky that you probably know from Ghosts and she

plays Hetty Woodstone on Ghosts and it is a fabulous character so welcome to the show

today.

Rebecca: Thank you ladies so much for having me I’m excited to be here.

Bridgett: Well we love

Ghosts we love what’s happening in season four and in season three the big reveal

about how Hedy died. Can you share a little bit about what happened I know people

who watch it know what happened.

Rebecca:  Yeah but for those of you know it’s it’s a light

-hearted zany romp of an ensemble comedy on network television but it is also

inherently a comedy about death and so we’re able to go to these places that are

that have deeper themes that we’ve heard from fans have prompted conversations across

generations and families conversations that might have been you know awkward for a

kid to have with his mom or grandmother or whatever about prejudice and all the

different kinds of issues. So we get into some deep themes and the way in which my

character died was that she took her own life. And she’s kept that secret from

these other ghost friends that she’s had for the last 150 years. And she finally is

prompted, I won’t go deeply into the storyline, but there’s finally good reason for

her to come forward with this revelation. And yeah, we took very seriously how,

you know, the intensity of that subject matter and the fact that there would be

many people watching that might have dealt with that in their own lives. And we’ve

really heard back from fans that that they’ve been very moved by it. And it’s

engendered some conversations that might not otherwise have happened. And I can’t

think of a thing to be more proud of.

Bridgett: So. Right. I appreciate too that they put

up the suicide hotline number at the end of the episode. And that was, that was

very important too. And it, it takes a, I don’t know, the way that it’s almost,

it’s a real talent to take something, to make some parts of it, you know,

have comedy, but also a very serious subject. So that was really, walk that fine

line, respecting the story, but still having the comedic aspect to it.

Colleen: What’s it like working with this ensemble? I know you’ve worked with ensemble cast

before, but what’s this cast like?

Rebecca:  – It’s the best. I mean, we’ve become family,

which is a lucky thing because with comedy, you know, that kind of chemistry is so

important. This is the, I mean, it’s a roommate comedy and it’s a claustrophobic

roommate comedy. I mean, we’re all trapped in lines together. And so it’s it’s

really good that everyone knows how to, you know, keep the ball in the air and

make the person standing next to you look good and know what the piece of

music is that’s being played. I think of the show in a very musical kind of way.

And so everyone, everyone just everyone is game. Everyone, a lot of people of us

come from the theater as well. And so that’s a skill that that obviously is,

you know, quite necessary in theater. And so, yeah, we’re very much a happy family

and are really inspired by and tickled by one another every day.

Bridgett: – Yeah, the

ensemble is so great. And also, I always wonder when you’re doing this,

is this really difficult? Because you’ve got to do scenes over and over. Is that

how that works? Like they’re going through the door and then the whole group in and

then they’re nodding in.

Rebecca – Yeah, well, that stuff, when you’re talking about walking

through walls and stuff, there’s some FX where they have to put up a green screen.

So we walk through an open door and then they have like a little laser and then

you walk through it with a green screen behind it. So that’s the whole department

that’s in charge of all that stuff. But we do a thing called the Ghostless Pass or

we film in Montreal and they’re all French speakers. So we call it Saint -François

-Tôme where we, Samantha, played by Rose McIver,

who we adore, and Jay played by Utkarsh Ambudkar who we also adore,

they have to then do a ghostless pass. So Rose has to remember where the eye lines

for each one of us and where we were all standing, and then she has to do the

scene all over again so that often they cut back to the absurdity of the fact that

she’s talking to an empty room. So that’s all, she has done, you know, a lot of

plates spinning in there for her at all times.

Colleen: – I want to kind of start with you. You found theater when you were at a very

young age. Your mom kind of put you into it much to your chagrin, but you loved

it. What drew you to theater at such an age?

Rebecca: – Well,

I was a really, really shy kid. My mother had the idea to take me down to the

community theater. Thank goodness I was in a town that had a community theater. I

know a lot of people are not so lucky. I think it’s a really important part of a

local, you know, community experience. And I came out of my shell.

I mean, I was drawn to it because it felt I wasn’t super athletic. So it felt

like my team sport, you know, and it, I could be someone new. I found,

I was fascinated by how quickly I took to becoming new people and finding ways to

understand how other people worked. And I also, it’s worth noting, really look like

an adult when I was a kid. I like creepy, creepily so. I’ve looked, and I was

always taller than everybody else. And I always really look like an adult.

There’s this story, which is true, that I was mistaken for a substitute teacher by

other teachers. When I was in sixth grade, my first day in sixth grade in a new

school, I really truly, I truly look like an adult. And so I got to play at an

adult in which I had no business doing it. But the local community theater let me

play all these grand, you know, parts, like all these real roles. And so yeah,

I just love it. I loved it, I fell in love with it. I never thought about being

famous. It seemed utterly out of the realm of possibility and I didn’t really even

consider it. I just wanted to have a life being a theater geek, you know?

Colleen: So,

yeah. – So how did that transition into television, your first role in TV?

Rebecca: – Well, theater doesn’t pay very (laughing) So, I mean, I worked like deep downtown

theater and worked with a dance theater company and toured with them for many years

and loved that so much. And then slowly started working in more and more uptown

theaters. And then I finally, and I did all of the shows that were local to New

York, which is the bread and butter of New York theater actors, the Sopranos and

Sex and the City was my first TV job and all the Law and Orders and then I

booked a pilot that took me to LA and I never thought I would want to live in LA

but a door kind of opened and it and it felt right and I walked through it. So I

just started doing more television and films and stuff at that point.

Bridgett: It’s funny um

Devious Maids that was filmed outside of Atlanta. My son actually was a background

on it and there’s a scene in it with him with you. You’re at the country club and

he was a security guard and had to escort you out of the country club.

Rebecca: So forcibly was it when many of the many times Evelyn Powell was being bad? Bridgett: Yes it

was so funny I was like I think my son had to escort her out.

Rebecca: Oh tell him I

said hello.

Bridgett: Oh I will.

Rebecca: One of my very fondest memories are of Atlanta and of that

show. That’s another great ensemble show so yeah.

Bridgett: I mean great creators creators,

you know, just with that show as well. And they seem really fun.

Is it, how fun

is it to play a character? You really can play some eccentric characters. Is that

really fun?

Rebecca: – It’s very fun. I like complicated women. I like women who are

unexpected, who have interesting motivations.

I like finding, you know, the empathy for the um you know those are the most fun

characters for me to play but i’ve been really lucky i’ve been given a wide breadth

of other kind of things to do too which is not often the case as a character

actor so i feel lucky for that

Colleen:  you talk about complicated um roles and are you

finding now that you have joined the over 50 club like we have that yay

congratulations that there are more roles for women in our demographics that are more

than just playing the mother or the background.

Rebecca: – Right. I don’t know what other

actresses in my age group would say. It feels like there’s more juicy,

messy, interesting women. There’s more, number one’s on the call sheet that are women

who are 55, you know? It seems like people are,

But also, I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that there are more

women behind the camera. There are more women in writers’ rooms. There’s more women

showrunners. There’s more fantastic female playwrights that are moving to theater and

film. And so I think that has something to do with it. So in my experience,

that’s true. You know, I’ve always, again, back to the fact of how old I looked,

I’ve always played much older. So I was never really an ingenue.

So I just now feel like I’m in the sweet spot of finally looking the age that I

am.

So that’s what I’m enjoying.

Bridgett: Yeah. I mean, there’s some people that look the same

age their whole life. I think, you know, and, and I think, you know, there’s a

lot, especially a lot of male actors, but females, some females, like, they look

that age forever. So, you know, and then you’ll, you’re probably going to look this

age forever. So that’s a nice thing.

Rebecca:  – Well, you know, it’s probably, that’s a

dangerous thing to wish for. I look at it gracefully and get lots more gritty,

interesting parts in my 60s and 70s. I don’t intend to retire, but yeah,

it’s nice to feel like I’m still holding it together.

Bridgett:  – Yeah, no, it’s really

interesting.

Rebecca:  – All of the ghosts have these powers that are somehow in many ways

related to the manner in which they died or lived and their various degrees of

impressive. But my character, who is at least on surface,

the highest status ghost in the house, has not had a power. So for 150 years,

she’s kind of thought that she was powerless, which I loved playing that. I thought

that that was a wonderful kind of dichotomy, and all the other ghosts made fun of

her for it, which was very delicious. But it turns out she does have a ghost power

and it is related to the fact that she’s recently discovered that she is Irish,

which she was not a fan of the Irish, which was a typical, you know,

an unfortunate opinion, but typical opinion in the 1800s. There was,

We all know horrible history of the anti -immigrant sentiment in America, and the

Irish people really, you know, really got it in the 1800s. So Hetty is not a fan

of the Irish, but a DNA test is taken, and it turns out to her horror that she

is Irish. But then, in true form, she goes and embraces it and goes hog wild and is all about the Irish, because she of course is one.

So it is suggested that she now has the power on St.

Patrick’s Day to be seen by livings and she does on this St.

Patrick’s Day in this episode and she in fact has a lovely very sweet romantic love

story with Jay’s cousin. There’s a guest star that we have Asif Ali,

who plays Sunil, who is the cousin of Jay, and he comes to the house and can all

of a sudden see me. And it opens up this whole new world of possibility for this

character and this theme of being seen, which I think resonates with all of the

ghosts in the house. And so, yeah, it’s a complicated sweet little romantic story

for an episode.

Colleen:  I want to get back to that concept of being seen. But before I

do, were you surprised that they signed up for season five and six, not just one

more season, but that the show is so popular that they signed up for two?

Rebecca: We were

really excited. And yeah, it’s kind of unheard of. To have job security,

again, downtown theater actor, the fact that I have a job at all, but that I know

what I’m going to be doing for the next two years is a true gift. We’re thrilled

because also it’s going to be deeply tragic when we all have to say goodbye to one

another. So hopefully that won’t be for a good many years. So yeah, thank you for

mentioning it. We were really excited and we’re so happy that CBS and Paramount

thinks so highly of us and the numbers that we’re doing for them. As I said, that is unusual to get two seasons picked up. So it’s

something to definitely celebrate. – Definitely, yeah. I was saying that we’re, even

in our fourth season, we’ve had a lot of fans that have been very loyal from the

start, but it feels like we’re just kind of expanding and growing. And there’s a

lot of new people that are finding the show in its fourth season, which feels

really rewarding. And we’re, what I was about to say is we’re now on Netflix

internationally, not in the US, but that’s a whole other influx of interest for the

show and we’re doing very well internationally for Netflix. So yeah, it’s exciting.

Bridgett: Yeah, I think people love to see the comparison of the British version and the US,

but they’re different. They’re alike and they’re different. So it’s fun to see both

of them. And the ways in which the historical periods of both countries are

different.

Rebecca: You know, it’s being franchised out now too. There’s a French one and a

German one and an Australian one which deal with their own characters and their own,

you know, the lens of their own fraught periods of their country’s history. So I

look forward to checking out all of those too.

Bridgett: Oh, that’s, that’s really exciting.

That’s one of the things I love so much about Ghosts is you’re getting history from

so many different time periods that it’s, you know, you’re learning about the

Vikings, you’re learning about of Native Americans just I really enjoyed that. And then

you’re going to be in an upcoming story, the Amanda Knox story. Can you talk a

little bit about that?

Rebecca: Yeah, I just got back from Budapest actually I went it was

I don’t have a large part in this I don’t want to misrepresent it but I wanted to

do it because I was so fascinated with the Amanda Knox story when it was going on

here. And It’s a part that’s very different than what I play in Ghosts.

And I wanted to visit Budapest. And there’s some very classy people associated with

it. And it also is on Hulu. And so I was really thrilled that they asked me to

do it. I play opposite Grace Van Patten, who’s playing Amanda Knox, and she’s just

hitting it out of the park. She’s fantastic. So I have no idea when that’ll come

out. You know, they’re just doing it now.

Bridgett: – Well, I’ve been to Budapest. It’s very

interesting.

Rebecca:  – Have you?

Bridgett: – Yes, yeah, yeah. – Yeah, I wouldn’t have had more time,

but it’s such a beautiful city. – Right, I was only there for like two or three

days, but yes it is, it is an amazing city. So that’ll be really interesting to

see that background and the story, like you said, you just, that story is

fascinating and you can’t imagine if it happened to you, what you would do, so

yeah.

Colleen: – One of the great things about all these streaming services is it does open

up more opportunities for not just women, but of a certain age, but every

demographic to really get media roles, more choices, more opportunities. Are you

finding that?

Rebecca: Yeah, yeah. I mean,

yes, I mean, people aren’t throwing scripts my way, if that’s what you’re asking.

Colleen: No, I don’t know. But just the fact that there are so usually, when it There’s

only ABC, NBC, CBS, there were just a certain number of roles out there and you

were fighting a lot of women, but now it seems like there’s more opportunity open

and available because so many scripts and shows are being written on so many

different platforms.

Rebecca: Yes, there is definitely more material out there,

there are more venues for that material. But I mean, I think it’s still an

incredibly competitive profession.  It’s, I mean, you know, so I feel very

lucky for any job that I get still.

Bridgett: Do you, do you prefer theater? Do you like

the, the TV and film? Or do you like to, want to go back to theater?

Rebecca: It’s been a

couple of years since I’ve done a play now, but you know, my husband is a lighting

designer for the theater. So I get to kind of scratch that itch through watching

his work and talking to him about theater. And I’m in New York right now.

And so every time I come here, I see some shows. And he’s designed, I’ll brag

about him. He’s nominated for a Tony Award a couple of years ago. So yeah,

but I do love the theater and I miss it. I miss it. What I loved the very most

was working with this dance theater company at the beginning of my career to just

take a long, long, long time to really, Really work on something and hone something

and develop it and invent it with a group of like -minded people. I love that kind

of work That’s how it sounds fun.

Bridgett: It does. I mean, but like you said, I could see

why the money isn’t as you good. You don’t get as much money.

Colleen: Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I know during the breaks

in filming that you take on shorter roles like this one in Amanda Knox. You think

you might do some theater in an upcoming break of the season?

Rebecca:  – Probably not this

season, but quite possibly next season. I would really like to. And we’re based out

of both New York and LA, but we’re gonna base ourselves more out of New York

moving forward because it’s, of course, so much closer to Montreal. And we have

dogs, and that just makes it a lot easier to be on one coast. Yeah.

Bridgett: And you rescued those dogs during COVID, is that right?

Rebecca: Yes. And wel lost a dear

dog who I rescued in Puerto Rico at an event with a co -star in “DVS Mates” with

Rosalind Sanchez was doing a charity for the satoes, the stray animals in Puerto

Rico, which there are many, and she’s done so much wonderful work for them and on

their behalf. So I went down with her with Judy Reyes as well. I think that

they’re the first season of Devious Maids and we did kind of a charity event that

was like an amazing, amazing race all around Puerto Rico and to raise awareness and

for spaying and neutering and getting money to so many of these foster organizations.

And someone just put this teeny tiny little foster puppy in my hands. I think it

was Rosalyn actually. I think that picture still exists somewhere. And I just felt

his little heart beating in my palm and I fell in love with him. We went out to

the beach. We just kind of, you know, snuggled all night long. And then I brought

him home with me. So that was my first rescue dog. And that’s Carlo,

who we just lost a couple months ago.

Colleen:  Oh, I’m sorry. It’s a very special place in

my – I don’t know. – My rescue dog is turning 10.

so I know how you feel about

them getting older.

Rebecca:  – What’s your rescue dog’s name?

Colleen:  – Oliver. He’s a foxhound.

And I got him when he was two. So he was just—

Rebecca:  – I love a hound.

Colleen:  – Yeah, he’s

just, he’s such a joy. And I can’t even think about him getting older.

I don’t like to think

Rebecca: – Yeah. – It’s rough. – Yeah. – It’s the very one. – If only they

lived as long as humans.

Bridgett: – I know. – Yeah.  my daughter has her rescue

Dog. His name is Spooky, which is kind of like a ghost, but it’s Spooky. And I like,

that’s my granddog. I don’t have grandchildren, so that’s my granddog. I

cannot even fathom that he’s seven, I think now. And so I just am like,

oh gosh, we’re gonna have to have a lot of therapy when the time comes for spooky,

it’s gonna be tough.

Rebecca: – Yeah, it’s rough, but it’s incredibly moving to me. I’ve been

through that with several cats that I’ve had over the years as well. And it’s just

like, it just feels like such a thing of honor to offer them and the role that

they’ve had in your life to be with them and to deal with that responsibly and

with love at the end is just so deeply moving to me. I mean, of course, I’m,

you know, I’m an animal lover and so connected to both I was to my cats and to

my dog. So yeah, it’s hard.

Bridgett:  Yeah, yesterday,

my husband, our cat, just we had to put her down last year. She was she had like

an attack. And we walked in yesterday from South by Southwest and we expected it’s

been over a year and we kind of stopped and looked around for her and we’re like

She’s not here. We you know, it has been over a year, but it is tough And I you

know always always bring up the sad things. I’m so sorry

Colleen: You know our podcast is about menopause as well and I wanted to ask you, we spoke

to Gloria Rubin recently who said that when she was in perimenopause and the hot

flashes started, it was really hard on her career. It really affected her ability to

be in a scene, to be in a moment when she would feel some of the symptoms. You

know, I don’t know what stage you are at, but are you finding any symptoms or does

it affect your career?

Rebecca: – Oh yeah, I mean, and I also coming from physical theater,

from dance, I feel so, I have such a relationship to my body and my body in space

and feel like I have a certain mastery over it, which is,

I mean, the hubris to say something like that, you know, especially heading into

perimenopause, like that threw me for a loop for sure. And I started,

I’m doing hormones. I think one of the two of you are doing it, right?

Bridgett:  I did. I

did.

Rebecca: Yeah. I never, and I find it fascinating. I feel a little like a science

experiment, but yeah, I’m an advocate for it.

It’s helped me a lot to feel like I can be an advocate for my health and for

what, how I want to feel, and that I don’t need to just fall off the cliff of

feeling like a female that I can, it’s reasonable to expect to,

to feel good in my body still, you know.

Bridgett: Exactly.

And it’s, it’s about choices too. Like Colleen didn’t really have the vasomotor

symptoms that I had.

Colleen: I have no problem.

If I, you know, were to go on them, I just you were having such bad hot flashes.

Bridgett: – I was having such bad hot flashes and night sweats, but then again, you know,

we’re looking at other data that might be coming out about helping with brain

health, helping with bone health and so that’s very interesting too and could be

just really helpful for women in general. Yeah, but then, you know, there are women

that cannot take it. There are women that with history of maybe BRCA or positive

breast cancer scenarios that cannot take it. So just having all those choices.

-Colleen:  Yeah, just keeping the choices there.

What did you struggle with that you felt I need to talk to my doctor? And was

your doctor receptive to your questions?

Rebecca:  – Well, I’ll tell you, I first went to a

male doctor who I feel I didn’t quite get it. And I’m not saying that there aren’t

male doctors that are incredibly insightful and generous about this. But then a

girlfriend of mine recommended and isn’t that how you find all the best people in

life is recommendation from a girlfriend. So a girlfriend recommended someone that she

was seeing and it is a woman. It’s all you know, bio identical stuff and very,

I mean,

I felt educated. I felt like I understood why some of these hormones and peptides

and things like that could be helpful. And so, yeah, yeah. Was that your question?

How did I find my person?

Colleen: – Well, what symptoms were you struggling with and then

how did you find?

Rebecca: – Oh, I had, I didn’t have terrible hot flashes. I had them a

little, but I had one too many in that corset, in that dress and that hot box of

a dress that I thought, “Oh yeah, no, no, no, I have to figure this out.” And

then I think I just felt really sluggish and bloated and like I felt like my mood,

my sense of energy and my sense of enthusiasm about life was waning. And I didn’t

want for that to be true. I didn’t want, and if that could, you know,

if there’s a chemical, you know, correlation there, I wanted to get to the bottom

of it. Right.

Bridgett: Yeah, you know when you said that corset and I thought I think about

that she has to wear that all the time in those scenes. That’s her. There’s no

costume change, you know, that’s and that’s what it is but that is you know that

that surrounding hormones is such a interesting thing and I didn’t do it for a few

years because of We go on way back through the WHI study. I was scared of that

until really I learned more about it and learned that the risks were really not

what was presented when it first came out when it was first released. But it

is it’s you said educating you educate it yourself, you felt educated. And that’s

kind of a goal of Colleen and I, one of our goals with this podcast is

we were not experts, but we definitely bring on experts and physicians and

clinicians, that we can talk to them and share it with our listeners.

Rebecca:  I’m so glad

you’re doing it, because honestly, there’s, I mean, all of all the resources of all

the things that are available out there for men and men aging. And I mean, it’s

just, it’s just simply, there’s not as much research. There’s not as many people

talking about it and studying it. And not, you know, women need to be sharing this

information with one another as well. So, so kudos to you for spreading the word.

Colleen: – Well, thank you. – Thank you. – We find that there is such power in conversation.

And like you said, where do you get your best advice from other women? – Yeah. – So

that’s what we want women to feel like they’re just sitting here chatting, learning

about options and education, but also about changing the narrative for the 50 plus

woman. And I loved when you said, I am to keep working and keep working.

Does your view on the work change as you get older? Are there certain things that

you still haven’t done that you say I really want to do that? I would like to do

more independent films. I’ve done so much television and I’ve done a lot of theater.

I do want to return to the stage for sure.

But

Rebecca: – Yeah, it sounds like I’m lying, but it’s true. Like I really still have this

kind of scrappy downtown mentality where I feel very lucky to have any job. So

questions like, well, what’s your dream role? Or what would you like to do next? I

mean, it’s whoever will have me.

Yeah, I enjoy when I get to play characters that are the opposite of a Hetty

Woodstone or an Evelyn Powell. I like to play across that spectrum.

So yeah, I do find that I’ve become more forgiving and of myself and looser,

the older that I’ve gotten,

I think I’m just, I would imagine everyone would say, this is just better at my

job, the more I do it and the more years I live and experiences I have in the

world and other perspectives. I mean, We’re professional empathizers, really, is what

we are. And so, you know, the more life I live and the more I learn, the better

I am at my job.

Colleen:  I read somewhere that you’re also– you started writing and you’re

coaching younger actors. How has that experience been? Are both of those experiences

really?

Rebecca:  In terms of the coaching, that’s something I’ve always been asked to do for

friends. I’m a pretty good auditioner, and I’m a interesting choice maker and and I

really love dramaturgy coming from the theater I love breaking down a script I I

love trying I just love that stuff and so I’m always asked to help friends do it

and then slowly but surely my manager caught on that I was really good at this

and so she had me coaching all of her clients and I just kind of love it and now

I do it I don’t do it for money I do it when I’m able to I do it when I have

the time but I enjoy it, it scratches a directing itch for me

that I love watching them grow.

Bridgett:  So, yeah. – Do you do this like in person or do

they do it over Zoom or do you do both?

Rebecca: – Before the pandemic, I used to do it

in person. And then I thought, oh, it can’t possibly be as effective on Zoom, but

I love it. It works just as great.

Bridgett:  Yeah. – It works, but yeah, because yeah, like

the whole you said, taking a different direction and being different. I’ve always

heard that they’re looking for something different or they might ask you in an

audition, do it this way. And then do they say, do it different? Like, can you do

it a different way in an audition?

Rebecca:  – Right, I mean, in an ideal world,

you get a more specific direction than that, but yeah, just finding a unique point

of view that is unique to that given actor is something I enjoy doing.

In terms of writing, that’s something I’ve done a bit of, I’m doing more of.

There’s nothing to really announce about that, but I’m, I’m, I’m really enjoying it.

And that’s trying women in our demographic are always talking about trying something

new, maybe for the love of it, maybe to pivot a career. So that’s definitely sounds

like an exciting addition.

Colleen: You mentioned a director itch, that you have a director’s

edge, which can you see yourself directing in the future?

Rebecca: I don’t really think so.

Because the thing I love most about it, I get to do when I coach.

You know, Rose McIver directed an episode of our show this season, and she did a

phenomenal job. And she’s been studying, actually studying, you know, the technique

and all of the specifics in terms of cameras and lighting and all of the things

that you need to do. I don’t purport to believe that just because I’m good at

directing actors that I could helm a ship of a television show or a movie.

I feel like maybe with a lot of training I could. So Rose had that training is

my point she really came ready for the job and

she really hit it out of the park. So it’s not, I wasn’t watching you’re thinking

oh maybe I should do that. I probably I’m not a tremendously ambitious person though

truth be told so like the writing and everything else I’m doing it because I enjoy

it because it’s it’s sparking something for me and um not because it’s a career

move uh and so yeah I don’t have great aspirations to actually be a an officially

a director no

Colleen: Yeah, well, Rebecca Wisocky,  Thank you so much for coming on today. We

appreciate it. Best of luck with seasons five and six

Rebecca: Thank you so much.

Yes. Just had such a great time talking to you. Thank you so much And so did I I

love what you guys are doing is a pleasure to meet you both